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PieXags · Jul 14, 2005, 02:44 PM // 14:44

I'd say yes it would help.

If Gaile or someone else from Anet/NCSoft came and told us "This is why we're doing what we're doing, we're moving in this direction with the came and would like this to happen" etc, etc. At least then I'd know if the situation would ever improve or if the game is moving in a direction that would allow me to enjoy it anymore. If they at least let us know what in the world they're thinking, I'd be overjoyed, because at least then I'd know whether or not I should continue putting forth my opinion or whether it's a hopeless case and should move to another game.

Diomedes · Jul 14, 2005, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Rare drops aren't rare if you farm an area and gather 30 of them. It's not ANet's job to make your characters rich easily.

See, I feel like we've got two conflicting ideas here. On the one hand we've been told, "The end to the grind!" and on the other, "Now things are Uber Rare!". I feel like a need to know which one it is (and I don't think it can be both unless the Uber Rare is cosmetic only).

-Diomedes

silvertemplar · Jul 14, 2005, 02:46 PM // 14:46

I think a statement saying "We are focusing on PvP, all changes henceforth is aimed to push people into PvPing instead of PvEing" would be enough for me.

I don't know if their "mission statement" is somewhere which resembles above statement, but if it is then it'll explain ALOT. It will also explain almost 99% of their changes or lack of changes to specific places in the game. As it stands, i can only assume that is what they are trying to say :

New Players should PvP, and get their content via PvP. PvE is just a
a playground to experiment and gain a bit of practice without too much human interference/dependence.

Aniewiel · Jul 14, 2005, 02:47 PM // 14:47

Thanks, everyone, for your very reasonable responses. Keep 'em coming. I suspect that this kind of thread (and not just 'cause -I- started it LOL!) is the kind that they will read and, just perhaps, respond to in a fashion that will benefit all of us!

Mumblyfish · Jul 14, 2005, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

How does nerfing PvE make your game mor enjoyable Mumbly?
(Merely curious not intending to agonize)

Because, to me, it makes PvE more enjoyable, not less. Reducing the importance of rerunning areas and nuking everyone's bank balance is all good to me.

Damon Windwalker · Jul 14, 2005, 02:51 PM // 14:51

I want to say that I appreciate and respect all the effort that is going into the production and updating of GW. However, I do think there is one major problem, and I wonder if it will ever really be resolved to a majority satisfaction.

From my perspective (plerase don't tell me I'm wrong - I'm not knokcing anyone else's gameplay styles of preferences - just stating mine) this is primarily a PvE game with some PvP thrown in. I know others see it the other way, that's fine. - I'm nto saying either view is right or wrong.

the problem is that PvPers and PvEers want different things - and those things are sometimes at odds with each other. My frustration comes from the fact that it seems like the majority of everything lately has been done for the benefit of the PvPers, and the PvE'ers have been mostly forgotten about (with the exception of nerfing everything).

I don' know how a good balance can be found to make both sides happy within the same game.

Dax · Jul 14, 2005, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by PieXags

I'd say yes it would help.

If Gaile or someone else from Anet/NCSoft came and told us "This is why we're doing what we're doing, we're moving in this direction with the came and would like this to happen" etc, etc. At least then I'd know if the situation would ever improve or if the game is moving in a direction that would allow me to enjoy it anymore. If they at least let us know what in the world they're thinking, I'd be overjoyed, because at least then I'd know whether or not I should continue putting forth my opinion or whether it's a hopeless case and should move to another game.

Honestly though, do you think they make changes to peeve people off on purpose? I mean they may have to wiegh the benefit of everyone over a few but still...

I mean they can only hope that it will help, and if it doesn't they can change it again. I guess it gives us a sense of well being and a chance to get it out of our systems, but I'm pretty sure they make changes to improve the game.

I agree that since Anet has been pretty good about communicating to the community it would be a nice to have a statement though.

EmperorTippy · Jul 14, 2005, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

the people yelling the loudest were the very people getting rich farming their favorite 259k loot patch.

now they cant just run out and get an extra umpty k as spare change they are yelling .

as for explanations they have already stated that high concentration loot areas invite botters.

solution is to spread out the loot so you dont have those rich spots to bot or farm

as for dyes showing color when dropped that happened BEFORE this update as i have seen the flash of color dropping for awhile now

as for giving an explanation forget it,

reason is it would do no good for the yelling masses who dont just disagree but flat out state that the developers goofed and it should be their way.

an explanation will not convince them because they already *KNOW* they are right and Anet is wrong

I don't farm much at all. I just don't like what has happened to the economy and part of the cause is that farming has been nerfed.

Thanks Mumbly I personally disagree but to each his own. I don't like rerunning and only do it when testing new builds before I bring them into PvP. I wouldn't really mind a bank wipe so long as it happens after I get my FoW Armor. only like 20 ectos to go

Borealis · Jul 14, 2005, 02:56 PM // 14:56

I keep scrolling though all these threads hunting and hoping for a reply from anet about everything I see on the first forum page and all I hear is the wind blowing in my ear.

MSecorsky · Jul 14, 2005, 02:57 PM // 14:57

The real problem, imo, is that people are spoiled brats thanks to games like Diablo, where a character can uber-out and solo the entire game without braking a sweat. So now there's a game that's actively reigning that in before it's ruined and the whine-birds are flocking.

Aniewiel · Jul 14, 2005, 02:58 PM // 14:58

Is it possible that changes are being incrementally made ... seesawing back and forth between PvP changes and PvE changes?

Principa Discordia · Jul 14, 2005, 02:58 PM // 14:58

This post is directed at nobody in particular, it's just a simple announcement: Stay on-topic and don't post anything that could be flamebait. I am watching this thread.

Aniewiel · Jul 14, 2005, 02:59 PM // 14:59

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Originally Posted by Borealis

I keep scrolling though all these threads hunting and hoping for a reply from anet about everything I see on the first forum page

Do you have any specific things you'd like to know? If so, what are they? Giving definition to your wants/needs/concerns would help ANet, if they so choose, to respond to you.

Dax · Jul 14, 2005, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

The real problem, imo, is that people are spoiled brats thanks to games like Diablo, where a character can uber-out and solo the entire game without braking a sweat. So now there's a game that's actively reigning that in before it's ruined and the whine-birds are flocking.

Heheh that's a possibility.
I don't think they'd say that though

MSecorsky · Jul 14, 2005, 03:03 PM // 15:03

I don't mean to come across as flamebaiting, but after seeing Diablo basically flat out ruined because it was impossible to complete unless you had uber-everything... well, ANet needs to prevent that. Rare items should be rare. Heck, they are for me anyhow.

Seems the whining is that everyone wants everything now with minimal effort. This is and should be the wrong game for that. Besides, if you can't beat or compete without uber-items, perhaps it's not ANets fault you can't compete.

It's a game of skill, not things.

Borealis · Jul 14, 2005, 03:06 PM // 15:06

Why the material trader prices are suddenly in the toilet, MCS mentioned to me in another thread in the wee hours of the morning when I made mention of obsidian selling for +4k and buy back is 100g from merch, he says something along the lines of "wait a few minutes it'll get back to normal". It's more then 7 hours later....still 100g??

Why do they feel the need to constantly nerf everything in sight, the economy is hugely inflated yet it seems drop rates have decreased significantly no matter where you are and what you're doing.

They say "you'll get better loot playing the game normally". Then why is it I spent damn near 10 or more hours a day sometimes playing this game and still don't see any very many good drops? The only time I ever get really good drops (which all areas are dead now) is when I was solo farming.

They change enemy movements in fissure making it more difficult yet still no good drops, I was in there last night for over 3 hours and in that time span a whopping 2 obsidian drop, no purple/rare items for a single person in that whole span....yet difficulty seems to be increased?

Maybe others don't see things the way I do, thats fine. Just some of the things on my mind.

P.S. I'm not expecting a response from them about any of the above, as there has been silence regarding all this, this is just for the record I guess.

Aniewiel · Jul 14, 2005, 03:07 PM // 15:07

Please everyone, stay on topic. Principa has locked most of the "complaint/cheer" threads regarding the update. The purpose of -this- thread is to ask you whether or not you think that a statement from ANet would help or not.

Please, stay on topic. It has been very civil and needs to stay that way. I would like to think that Gaile or one of the other reps might actually read it. If it turns into just another b*(*h session, I can almost guarantee they won't.

Remember, you can always send your complaints directly to them. Please don't put them in -this- thread.

Algren Cole · Jul 14, 2005, 03:07 PM // 15:07

I had no participation in the creation of this game.
I have no participation in the continued efforst of ArenaNet to update the game
I had no input, no contribution, none of my time was spent building this game

I paid only 50 bucks....and I will never again pay any MORE money to play this game.

ArenaNet doesn't owe me an explanation for why they are doing things....they don't owe you one either.

Thanas · Jul 14, 2005, 03:08 PM // 15:08

I expect its an economy based change. Farming devaluates gold. If peoples incomes are bigger then they can spend more and thus I'd expect prices to rise. For those few casual players or those that don't farm, buying items become a "no no". Basically everyone has to farm to buy items, but then the value of gold is reduced anyway.

Aniewiel · Jul 14, 2005, 03:10 PM // 15:10

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I had no participation in the creation of this game.
I have no participation in the continued efforst of ArenaNet to update the game
I had no input, no contribution, none of my time was spent building this game

I paid only 50 bucks....and I will never again pay any MORE money to play this game.

ArenaNet doesn't owe me an explanation for why they are doing things....they don't owe you one either.

My personal thought is as yours, Algren. I don't think that ANet owes us anything. But sometimes it is actually in -their- best interest to give a 2 line statement. "We did this, this and this. Like it or lump it."